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Clinton Wasn't Ready

New York Senator Hillary Clinton. Mark Duncan / AP

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She prepared for the last debate by watching SNL, not learning how to pronounce the new Russian leader's name

Hillary Clinton is a stalwart in the Democratic party and she is embraced by hardcore partyliners, I live in New York and I voted for her twice for Senator. But since the party clearly isn't leaning toward her for the 2008 nomination I agree with Newsweek's Jonathan Alter who raises hard and fast reasons why "Hillary Should Get Out Now" before she irreparably damages her name. I think her real inspiration should be John McCain. He lost the Republican nomination in 2000 but lived to fight another day, and look at him now. Hillary, you're a true fighter and if you fight smart you too can live to fight another day.

But she's staying in and hurting herself. Prior to last night's Ohio debate pundits were speculating which Hillary Clinton would show up -- the feisty, fiery fighter she'd been in the South Carolina debates or her congenial, emotive version she'd been in the Los Angeles and Austin debates. In the opening moments of the debate it was clear that the more argunmetative Clinton showed up. Not only did she take aim at Obama but she even took a swipe at moderator Brian Williams for directing the night's first two questions at her, feeling that such format put her at a disadvantage.

Overall I think Obama has gotten better and better in these debates while Clinton, who asked for more debates because she felt they were her strong suit, has gotten worse. She has made it clear that heathcare is the only issue on which she can attack Obama but she still can't knock him out, they always end up deadlocked, agreeing to disagree on their proposed health policies and then they move on to other topics like war and the economy which, as TIME's columnist Joe Klein points out, Obama wins.

And isn't it funny that she mentioned a Saturday Night Live skit last night? I heard about the skit but I haven't sat and watched the whole thing yet. In the previous debate she mentioned a clip of Obama that her campaign compared critically to a clip of Massachusetts governor Deval Patrick, and she said "if you look at the YouTube" of the two clips... and I just have to wonder if her supporters are thinking, why does Hillary have time to sit and watch comedy television and then click around on YouTube?

Since she's been the one calling for multiple debates then shouldn't she jump at the opportunity to set the tone of the debate? In that position couldn't she take advantage by putting Obama on the defensive? In the post-debate commentary Tim Russert pointed out that when he'd posed the question on how much the candidates knew about Vladimir Putin's successor Dmitry Medvedev, Russert said he'd left the table open for either candidate to respond first and Clinton jumped at the chance without hesitating (but couldn't even pronounce Medvedev's name). Clearly there are times when she feels it works to her advantage to respond first so it's odd to hear her fuss only about the moments when it doesn't.

Since she claims to be so ready on day one she certainly ought to be able to answer question one. I have hope that her campaign will be over soon.

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{"commentId":1514205,"authorDomain":"marygj"}

Mrsingleton I hope too that after March 4th Hillary Clinton will bow out. I have no doubt that she will bow out because I think the pressure is on her from the party elders. I believe this because of remarks Senator Dodd made yesterday in his endorsement of Obama:

"I don't want a campaign that is divisive here, and there's a danger in that," Senator Dodd said. "Now is the hour to come together.

"I know the temptations of campaigns," he said. "It can get a little out of control, and we've seen a little bit of that this week."

I think he told Hillary to tread lightly and not to keep giving fodder to Republicans. IMO...

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Reply#1 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:03 PM EST
{"commentId":1514350,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}

The Pundits called it a draw. They must have bought Hillary's claim that she is treated unfair. Of course she is not treated unfair. She has no more of a struggle being a woman candidate than Barack has being a Black candidate. He just seems to rise above the negativity better than she. He won the debate hands down. In spite of what the pundits say, the viewers (the opinion that truly matters) voted on there MSNBC poll and said 70% to 30% Obama indeed won the debate. In the close-up shots, you could see it all over her face. They Squabble over Health-care and NAFTA, but the simple fact is, the voting public find her divisive, and untrustworthy. Plain and simple. Now we can add "whiner" to the list of negatives. But she as of late is running the campaign of "Look America, he is a Slime Ball like me!" I have said time and time again. That kind of politics was good in 2000 and 2004, but not after 8 years of Bush Slime politics. 35 years of experience should have taught her that.

In this Post Carl Rove election, dirty tactics of attempting to seat unfair delegates, circulating photos to embarrass your opponent, mocking and diminishing your opponent's candidacy is not going to work. This moment, this election, the voting public are too engaged and can see right through it. That's why John McCain denounced the tactics of talk radio, because he is beginning to see what she hasn't. This is a different voting public than the last 4 elections.

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#1.1 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:38 PM EST
{"commentId":1514627,"authorDomain":"marygj"}

Independent Rob

Good comment and I agree. I did write an article about the media coverage and in particular MSNBC yesterday. I am not sure if it was censured but I intend to write Mr. Tang to find out. The media spin continues today on MSNBC that elevates Hillary while diminishing Obama. It seems the pundits they invited on have a problem with his denounciation of Farakhan and support Hillary's position.

They continue to dismiss his foreign policy experience and tout hers as First Lady. Now how that qualifies her to be more knowledgeable in those affairs puzzles me--as a matter of fact how she got "35 years of experience" is a mystery to me. At any rate Obama has taken the high road even when she was displaying multiple attitudes this past week.

She is still trying to figure out how this young, upstart African-American (in the true sense) has come from behind and given her an absolute run for her money. Now the other thing to figure into this is whether she can keep from releasing her tax returns and those White House records if she continues in the race. No more free rides on that issue.

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#1.2 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:48 PM EST
{"commentId":1515137,"authorDomain":"coryperry"}

Excellent comment there Independent Rob.

You are exactly right. The election has become far too important and more people than ever are committed to it. They see right through this stuff that would have and has worked in previous elections. I think that McCain has clearly caught on to that, Hillary however, has not.

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#1.3 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:30 PM EST
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{"commentId":1514844,"authorDomain":"ihusol"}

Oops! I think you were watching a re-run of Fantasy Island on TV Land network. Hillary clearly won the debate after smashing him in Texas last week. Obama has said so little about Russia, Serbia or foreign policy in general that it makes me believe he did not know Putin was "leaving" office. Obama practically endorsed her in the Ohio debate, along with agreeing on almost ALL her policies. Hillary has the experience and was fully prepared. Obama gives nice speeches but he does not debate well. He will be a good VP.

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Reply#2 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:54 PM EST
{"commentId":1515048,"authorDomain":"marygj"}

Just what we need another Hillary plant--nothing like just jumping in. Everyone knows that Hillary and Obama's positions are almost the same with minor differences. So you need to check your facts. With 11 losses in a row and a campaign that counted on her "inevitability" and "her turn" Hillary should not even be in the race. Any other opponent would have been questioned as to why they were still running.

It is okay if you support Hillary but do not bash Obama because you do not like him. I think you also need to check Hillary's experience she talks so much about. I also think he does fine in the debates and will be a much better representative than Hillary who has multiple personalities.

Anything you people can find to pick at him about you have used but he has always remained steady. The media continues to pick at him because they are so afraid of the Clinton machine. There are plenty of women who are capable of being president it does not have to be Hillary. The Clintons are in it for the legacy, dynasty, power and money. Ask Bill how good the money is. It is amazing that they were millions in debt and now have a bank account with 50 million dollars in it.

Have your candidate release her tax returns and the paperwork she claims the White House is sitting on (WH denied it today) so we can see what all this "experience" is. My prediction is if Hillary does not do well on March 4, she will get out so she won't have to release her and Bill's tax returns--they don't want us to know about Bill's business dealings. We do not need another secret couple in the WH that is what we have now.

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#2.1 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:54 PM EST
{"commentId":1516080,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}
Oops! I think you were watching a re-run of Fantasy Island

This is what I mean? Do these people think this kind of childish non-sense helps her? "Experience can only teach the teachable" Some people never learn. What good is experience if you cant learn from it? Maybe that's why she hasn't changed her style after 11 straight big losses. She absolutely brings out the worse in people, those for her and against her. She looked like a sore loser, whiner, you name it, when they displayed her antics on the big screen. Was that good judgment? It sure didn't look presidential.

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#2.2 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:45 PM EST
{"commentId":1516328,"authorDomain":"CCS"}

Silly silly Ihusol. The reason he agrees with all her policy points is because they agree about practically everything. Take some time, go to her website, and go to his. You will see that they have the same stance on many many things, albeit his are better organized and easier to understand.
The difference in these candidates is not that her policies are better (I still don't think her mandated healthcare plan is going to get through the Repubs and voted into law), it's that his personality is better.
He appeals to more peopole. She should face the music.

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#2.3 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:45 PM EST
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{"commentId":1515146,"authorDomain":"dsabio7"}

Billary's a joke...really. The only thing in her campaign that is positive at all is her healthcare plan and any one with half a brain can see that she can't handle herself well under pressure AT ALL. You could look at her personality alone and cross her off the list of candidates...it's funny to see her still in it at this point. Once again illustrating the ignorance of the American masses.

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Reply#3 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:32 PM EST
{"commentId":1515996,"authorDomain":"lfahnest"}

Is it just me, or is it taking forever to get to March 4? A couple of weeks without any contests is starting to get to me. Or perhaps I just want this thing to be decided. Not sure which it is. At any rate, I think it's a good thing that the primary season has lasted so long because it's given us an opportunity to see the candidates over time, and to see how they react to pressure. 2008 will go down as one for the history books.

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Reply#4 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:11 PM EST
{"commentId":1516102,"authorDomain":"We-The-People"}

Yeah, it is time to turn the page on the primaries. Lets get to the general. Take away McCain's war mongering, torture vote, disregard for Habeas Corpus, and his approval to spy on Americans, and I wouldn't care who won. But McCain is not the McCain of 2000. He has morphed into Bush Lite. :-D Wow.... Maybe I will send that to OBAMA McCain = Bush Lite. Bush brewery wouldn't like that much. But I will spread it around the vine :D

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#4.1 - Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:54 PM EST
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{"commentId":1538024,"authorDomain":"caroaber"}

Whitewater involved both Clintons and the fact that the waste of over $50 million dollars spent on the Kenneth Starr "independent" investigation tainted not her, but her husband, shows that people in the media have been fair in their coverage of Sen. Clinton.

I have long believed that Al Gore was foolish not to question candidate G.W. Bush about his brother Neil's role in the savings and loan scandals of the 80's that caused billions of dollars to disappear. People were angry over that scandal, and now history is repeating itself with the mortgage meltdown crisis. A timely reminder from veep Gore could have gone a long way in 2000. It could have helped him win his home state of Tennessee, in which case the Florida indecision would have been moot.

HRC cannot take voters' loyalty for granted. She made the mistake of listening to her own hype.

On to mini-Tuesday, and then on to Pennsylvania.

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Reply#5 - Tue Mar 4, 2008 7:51 AM EST
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